Lizzie Willick versus LE Julz?

[tjpandv]

Just wondered what you thought about the merits of Lizzie Willick in her Mad Cat versus LE Julz?

Lizzie in her ride together with IT comes out at 348 points.
For this you get:

12IT
19 inch assault range
DV of 23 with heavy armour

Downside is that you need a 4-6 roll in your command phase to ignore blocking terrain for LOF.

Good news is that if you don't make the roll, you haven't committed yourself to an attack. If you do make the roll, you can then choose to use energy or ballistic.

LE Julz is probably the most underpointed Mech in existence but she needs a shooter to deal the damage.

LE Julz and Jack come in at 182 points. If it weren't for the special ability, you basically end up with a decent mech with a sub-par AV but decent DV and agility to boot.

Once she's within 6 inches of blocking, her "partner" then gets a guaranteed shot but has to use ballistic to do this.

A couple of "partners" might be Alpha or the WH Thor. Aplha with De Jesus will get you:

12IT
19DV
21 inch assault range

Use the Thor and the AV drops to 11IT but the DV is up to 22 with hardened armour.

Both of these packages come in at around the 260-280 points mark making the Julz + shooter combo a hefty (but V potent) 460 points.

Question here is, is the saving of 100 points on Lizzie worth the fact that you have a). put all of your eggs in 1 basket and b). have to gamble on getting the shot away through blocking?

I'm in 2 minds about it and really looked at Lizzie as an alternate to Julz but one that allows you to play a more balanced force with plenty of support.

[elite130]

Yes and No, I have played both. I prefer my hitter to be seperated. I also prefer releability meaning that if the moment is there i can strike the 4-6 is no good in my book.

But on a point saving matter sure.

you raise a good point.

[tjpandv]

I think I'll test her. You're absolutley right about not being able to throw a 4+ when you need it - that is a BIG factor. I think the Mad Cat's 360 arc could also be a factor - allowing it to fire at a couple of targets at once.

I took a quick look at a Lizzie Army and came up with this:

Lizze/Onslaught/IT
BR Soli/Graves/APM
ROTS Bishop
2 HS TTLs
4 CNC ATVs

Comes out a 599 and its just meant to show the sort of support availalble if you choose Lizzie over Jack + Shooter.

[elite130]

leave 1 atv add 1 ct makes it 600

[elite130]

Oh ill show you what i play these days in paris.....

[asburygrad]

I was very excited about the possibility of Swan w/ pilot vs Jack, since it has 16 range and Streaks. But then I saw the 4 damage . . . so it would only deal 2 clicks to Jack per hit.

What do you both think of this piece?

[tjpandv]

asburygrad said:

I was very excited about the possibility of Swan w/ pilot vs Jack, since it has 16 range and Streaks. But then I saw the 4 damage . . . so it would only deal 2 clicks to Jack per hit.

What do you both think of this piece?

Admittedly, a long-ranged ballistic shooter with streaks should give Jack a difficult time - esp if yougive Swan improved tracking. Every time I've played Jack, I've never really used it as a mech in its own right. Its really there to allow Julz to function. By targetting Jack with Swans' streaks, it will take around 4 turns to put Jack into salvage. Until then, Julz ability is still in effect and you're probably getting shot at by a 12IT mech.

Having said that, watching Jack get pummled is not a great feeling if it its yours and the damage inflicted by Swan will make Jack a much easier target for your other pieces.

Point for point, your Swan is probably on a par with Jack and a heavy shooter but if Jack and his mate get the first shot in, then Swan will be up against it - one hit from an armour piercing round and the Streaks are gone.

So, for me Jack and his pal probably win this one as Swan is forced to target either Jack or the shooter. If you choose the former, then the shooter is free to target Swan. If you choose the latter, Jack's ability won't go away.