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Post by tjpandv on May 13, 2006 12:14:11 GMT -5
I did raise this briefly in the Tactics Section but Ive not been able to come up with an answer: Corrosive Atmosphere limits a unit's DV to 23. Is this after modifiers or before? Page 14 of the Row says to "Always use a unit's modified combat value, unless a rule or SE specifically states that the unmodified combat value should be used." As the wording on the card doesn't mention the word unmodified, I'd assume we're talking the modified value which would mean that nothing that takes the DV above 23 gets added. Has anyone got a reference/ruling from somewhere that clarifies this one - it sure would help when taking on Solitude!!
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Post by Zxqueb on May 13, 2006 17:23:38 GMT -5
You are correct. The max is reduced to 23 after modifiers. It's a powerful PC!
Z
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Post by tjpandv on May 14, 2006 2:22:50 GMT -5
So if I line up Solitude for an assault order, his defence is 23 + pilot (+1) plus assault order (+1) making 25, which then reduces to 23 under Corrosive Atmosphere !! Wow, its got my vote. An heavy packing 12IT will have a re-roll on 11s to get a hit. Thanks for that Z
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Post by Zxqueb on May 14, 2006 9:05:39 GMT -5
Yep, and if you assault order my BR solitaire + scott graves that is in base contact with your piece in hindering... my 26 is reduced to 23.
It's a mean PC and deserves to be in hand at nats!
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Post by baw on May 15, 2006 6:53:36 GMT -5
hey! I was going to respond but Zxqueb beat me I was going to research it. It was FAQ'ed wasn't it or Clarified (to represent the way Zxqueb is indicating).
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Post by tjpandv on May 15, 2006 7:01:10 GMT -5
Got it at last - its is in the FAQs - under Domination Unit/Card Corrections - I was looking through the main body of text at all the different subject headings. And it is as good as Z described!!
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Post by baw on May 15, 2006 8:24:57 GMT -5
I need to try playing that against the atlas a couple of times It would be useful!
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Post by TrevortheAwesome on Jun 6, 2006 14:47:05 GMT -5
I don't know how the hell I missed the FAQ clarification on that... that's a huge change.
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Post by baw on Jun 6, 2006 15:19:11 GMT -5
It is a significant change. Since we have a player playing the atlas a lot.. people have been playing it more
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Post by Zxqueb on Jun 7, 2006 8:59:33 GMT -5
It's a hugely powerful PC -- The fact that defenses don't raise above 23 means that an average 12 attack mech will need at most an 11 to hit. 50/50 is MUCH better odds than most alternatives.
I am considering an army with the LI Avalance (homing beacon) with a +2 pilot and corrosive, I can indirect with a 13 attack, get clear line for the rest of my army and have a significant chance of punking the target no matter what it is. Of course... for almost the same cost I could use Jack/Julz. *sigh* I hate Julz.
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Post by tjpandv on Jun 7, 2006 9:53:57 GMT -5
I had Corrosive in my hand for the UK Event - Jack/Julz/BAP gives a max defence of 21...
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Post by TrevortheAwesome on Jun 8, 2006 2:31:18 GMT -5
Two points: One, I don't believe you can indirect with Homing Beacon (the ubiquitous "attack" versus "order" argument); and two, if Corrosive comes in after ALL OTHER MODIFIERS, wouldn't that include the -1 from Julz? Or Beagle, whichever? Not that a 22 base is bad either, I'm just askin'.
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Post by tjpandv on Jun 8, 2006 4:28:04 GMT -5
From the bit on CECs in the rules, the order of play is:
Planetary Conditions (Corrosive limits DVs to 23) FP/Merc Contracts/SA (Merc FP could remove any defensive modifiers) Gear (BAP now comes into play) Pilot (Julz's Marked for Death).
So some target that uses evade, a pilot, called shot modifier, camo etc to gets its defence up nice and high is going to suffer big time if it can't cancel Corrosive Atmosphere (or Merc FP).
Its gotta be worth a go...
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Post by Zxqueb on Jun 8, 2006 5:19:31 GMT -5
It's a bit early to talk about the order of play, since my brain is not yet engaged. But even in this half awake state, I do know that you can indirect with homing beacon -- You just can't assault order with it. That's the RCO vs. RCA fine print. An indirect attack can be made on a RCO.
Z
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Post by tjpandv on Jun 8, 2006 5:53:29 GMT -5
I'd go along with that, and that's why I find HB so difficult to use (rather akin to TSEMP). There is an outbreak of HB in Vanguard and I know the BMs at the UK Nats had to answer a lot of questions on it during the draft event.
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