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Post by baw on Apr 10, 2006 12:49:49 GMT -5
ok. This is still not perfect. I spent a few minutes on it. I might replace a couple of the units. I am trying to decide if you really need AP army.. If it wasn't for Jonah Levin.. I would say you could get away without AP arty. You may wish to have a transport for your TTL's but I think with the Liao Long tom. You are going to be driving your opponent towards you. The reason I don't see drop repair as critical. Your units are so fast you can run across the board and heal! By no means is this a perfect army but Trying to give you some of how I would play the sort of army you are trying to build  But Then again I have learned that arty is my friend tjpandv European army (15 figures at 600 points) ID Name Points AN051 Veteran Bannson's Raiders Solitaire 100 DOM-P-037 Not Applicable (Not Applicable) Graduate Certificate - Minoru Kurita 18 AN051 Veteran Bannson's Raiders Solitaire 100 DOM-P-037 Not Applicable (Not Applicable) Graduate Certificate - Minoru Kurita 18 DOM134 Unique Clan Wolf-in-Exile Solitaire 'Vengeance' 117 DOM-L-042 Unique Clan Wolf-in-Exile Phelan Ward 25 FP020 Elite Clan Jade Falcon Sylph Battle Armor 30 FP076 Elite House Liao Long Tom Artillery 74 FI012 Elite House Steiner Towed Thunder Launcher 26 FI009 Green Clan Jade Falcon Towed Thunder Launcher 23 AN001 Green Republic of the Sphere Combat Technicians 13 AN004 Elite House Liao Combat Technicians 15 AN005 Green House Kurita Scout ATV Squad 13 AN007 Veteran Clan Nova Cat Scout ATV Squad 14 AN007 Veteran Clan Nova Cat Scout ATV Squad 14 I would really work hard on getting Scott graves in there. I would probably sacrife the JF sylph for two better pilots. I also would convert the one ROTS Combat tech to a Liao so you could move arty in formation. Not enough time in the day Just my 2 cents |
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Post by elite130 on Apr 10, 2006 16:58:31 GMT -5
Leave the Elite inf. they are cool.......
I would put in HD Centaurs and let Phelan handle the black armour. Also the 4 Rots miniguns is something I woudnt bother with.
But I am possible opposition and ill will play twins. So I am the hated enemy that must be destroyed.
Good luck see you in 2 weeks.
Regards
Elite130
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Post by baw on Apr 11, 2006 6:38:17 GMT -5
I really don't see they point of Elite infantry in this army (besides sharing your name  ) The bring the defense down to 18? By the time any of those units are damaged enough to be begging for repair They aren't going to be a much higher defense than that. It isn't completely wasted points but not totally efficient. I would rather have another combat tech  or upgrade a pilot to Scott Graves! |
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Post by tjpandv on Apr 11, 2006 10:37:22 GMT -5
Just wanted to say thanks to you guys for chipping in with advice and builds. I've got about a week of testing to go (I have to use empty mech bases to represent the Twins, so its a little surreal at times!).
My next headache is that I'll be going with my 12 year old so that's 2 armies!! I think my second will be based around a Loki + light mech. More repair (probably). Clicking the 6 Lokis that are available down by 7, the CJF one attacks at 8 with 4 primary, the ROTS and Liao have 7 IT with 3 primary, the Davion has 7IT with 4 primary. Of the LEs, Esperanza has 8IT with 3 damage and Kaze has an AV of 8 but does 4 with pulse. I hadn't looked at Kaze before (don't have it, may be able to borrow it) but there is no repair marker on the 7th click and, along with the CJF variant, Kaze provides a good degree of strength. Esperanza is tough but has a repair marker on the 7th click. Anyway, early days.
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Post by baw on Apr 11, 2006 12:17:11 GMT -5
The IT is worth about 2 points of attack on average. It all depends on how well your son rolls Good luck and through up your ideas if you need any assistance. We always have an opinion and most of our opinions vary |
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Post by Zxqueb on Apr 11, 2006 13:02:03 GMT -5
Just wanted to say thanks to you guys for chipping in with advice and builds. I've got about a week of testing to go (I have to use empty mech bases to represent the Twins, so its a little surreal at times!). You just have to give us detailed battle reports when you get back! I know I am really looking forward to the reports from the first big event! Take notes! Z |
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Post by Zxqueb on Apr 11, 2006 13:09:30 GMT -5
Sounds interesting. The Loki's have nice stability and damage potential. Have you considered a shiro + Jack/LE Julz + a support drop(maybe enyo?) + small arty? That may work really well in the format, especially if your son prefers fewer pieces.
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Post by mikeguth on Apr 11, 2006 21:11:38 GMT -5
My son and I have been using Twins with Phelan Ward as a counter to the 'RHDM' anti-Twin Paradigm. It makes a mockery of the game. Watch the Solitude try to chase down Phelan, while the Twins eat the Solitude's support, and then base the Solitude forcing it to make breakoff rolls or at least pay the modifier for shooting out of base contact.
The other really evil thing we saw recently was Twinsboth with Deoy, and with the Highland Kelswa. This gives the Twins a 26-27 defense against ranged combat. Ouch.
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Post by baw on Apr 12, 2006 6:44:35 GMT -5
The ugly combinations of the twins are legendary. I hate that the Europeans are going to be forced to show WK how bad the twins are. I know if Elite is playing them that there will be some extremely nasty combo's of twins on the field |
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Post by tjpandv on Apr 12, 2006 9:08:59 GMT -5
You just have to give us detailed battle reports when you get back! I know I am really looking forward to the reports from the first big event! Take notes! Z Snagless, the fact that I'm not using the Twins should give me around 30 minutes spare in each game to take photos and make notes!! I'm beginning to wonder if 4 good sealed games in the morning followed up with armies based on winning Missions and VC3 may be the way ahead!! (desperation slowly takes hold!). |
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Post by Zxqueb on Apr 12, 2006 9:13:13 GMT -5
Well, the 15th is coming up quickly. Maybe a twins fix is on the horizon. WK has pushed up the tournament legal date of the FAQ before...
Z
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Post by baw on Apr 12, 2006 9:30:27 GMT -5
it would through a lot of people in turmoil.. (especially Elite) if they went and nerfed the twins even more. I am wishing you and your son good luck. I am pulling for Elite also If he has unnerfed twins I think he is going to do well |
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Post by elite130 on Apr 15, 2006 1:28:19 GMT -5
Well it is back to the drawing board. With the twin nerf, only 1 week to design a army.
Argh.
You are going to keep yours Tjpandv ?
I dont mind the nerf but I asked about more than a month ago and was hoping to know this a month ago so I could prepare for it.
Ah well it will open up things.
Good Luck all making new armies.
E130
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Post by tjpandv on Apr 15, 2006 12:59:03 GMT -5
Well it is back to the drawing board. With the twin nerf, only 1 week to design a army. Argh. You are going to keep yours Tjpandv ? I dont mind the nerf but I asked about more than a month ago and was hoping to know this a month ago so I could prepare for it. Ah well it will open up things. Good Luck all making new armies. E130 With less than a week to go, that army will probably travel to Paris - my son likes it and he's a bit of a chargemonkey anyhow!! I was struggling for a second army and was so fixed on anti-twin builds that I'd not looked at more "traditional" styles. I'll try and cook up some alternates, but the time for testing is pretty much up. Look out for me on Friday afternoon, I'll be sat infront of a table covered in Mechwarrior pieces holding a pencil and a calculator!! |
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Post by baw on Apr 15, 2006 19:26:18 GMT -5
LOL. I would be up every night sitting with battleplanner trying every unit I can I think arty and PC's are still going to be significant in your events. Good luck to everyone! |
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But Then again I have learned that arty is my friend 
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or upgrade a pilot to Scott Graves!
